Calling all recovering people pleasers! Saying “no” can do wonders for your mental and physical wellness. Dr. Jen Fry is a speaker, conflict literacy expert and author who demystifies how to have hard conversations and why they build healthier cultures. Jen discusses how fear of “making a scene” and people-pleasing, especially for women, can lead to harmful situations, resentment and even physical stress, and why saying no is about self respect. Jen emphasizes building tolerance through “micro-advocacy” in everyday moments, giving people a chance to fix issues and accepting others’ disappointment or anger. Tune in to learn how to advocate for yourself.

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Host, creator and executive producer: Erika Casupanan
Editing by A Peschanski
Brand strategy by Natalie Cunningham
Music by Dylan Mackenzie
Podcast visual design by Amanda McCusker
Photography by Clarence Creates